{"id":39119,"date":"2014-05-22T01:08:40","date_gmt":"2014-05-22T05:08:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/totfc.net\/?p=39119"},"modified":"2020-07-12T01:08:49","modified_gmt":"2020-07-12T05:08:49","slug":"the-chaos-of-subjectively-judging-georgia-cities","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/totfc.net\/?p=39119","title":{"rendered":"The chaos of subjectively judging Georgia cities"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"border-image alignnone wp-image-39120 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/totfc.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/peaches.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"490\" height=\"265\" srcset=\"http:\/\/totfc.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/peaches.jpg 490w, http:\/\/totfc.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/peaches-300x162.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 490px) 100vw, 490px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.movoto.com\/blog\/top-ten\/best-places-in-georgia\/\">Real estate blog Movoto listed the \u201c10 Best Places to Live in Georgia,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0and it\u2019s mostly filled with towns and cities on the outskirts of Atlanta.\u00a0 Notably absent are any towns or cities within Atlanta \u201cproper,\u201d also known as \u201cinside the perimeter (Interstate 285)\u201d also known as \u201cITP.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">This, naturally\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/atlanta.curbed.com\/archives\/2014\/05\/20\/everything-itp-snubbed-in-list-of-georgias-best-places.php\">has those who live ITP and think they rule the state completely up in arms<\/a>, and when things happen that they don\u2019t agree with, they do something about it: bitch about it on the internet.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Now I\u2019m not entirely sure which side of which fence I stand on, but since I think I sometimes lean on the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/elohell.net\/chill\/311673\/who-are-you\">chaotic neutral side of the spectrum<\/a>, ultimately I think I can find a bone to pick with all involved parties in this little online e-fracas.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>FIRST<\/strong>, to those ITP whining and complaining that Atlanta isn\u2019t a top-10 place to live in Georgia: it\u2019s probably true.\u00a0 Movoto\u2019s criteria might be a little subjective and inadvertently racially charged, but it does hit some important key points, such as crime, cost of living, median income and tax rates.\u00a0 Those factors considered, it\u2019s\u00a0<em>completely true<\/em>\u00a0that no city or town within I-285 should be considered a top-10 place to live.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Statistically, there is more crime within the circle of I-285 than there is in any city or town outside of it.\u00a0 Ironically, if I-285 could magically be re-jiggered to relegate College Park and East Point to OTP status, I\u2019m sure it would drop dramatically, but the cards have landed where they have fallen, and they\u2019re murdering (no pun intended) the crime numbers for Atlanta proper.\u00a0 But it\u2019s not just them doing it; crime is way more rampant ITP than it is outside of it.\u00a0 There are numerous statistics to prove this fact, and when the day is over, people typically wish to live away from areas with notably higher percentage of crime.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Simply existing within I-285 is reason enough for real estate numbers to inflate to egregious costs, and sure it\u2019s no New York City where people are paying $1,500 for 200 square feet of living space, but considering the median cost of living in most places outside of the perimeter, and it\u2019s a pretty dramatic difference in ratio.\u00a0 Long story short, the cost of living increases to an unfavorable bang for buck within ITP, than it does outside of it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Fact: there are more people that commute from outside of the perimeter and enter the city to where they work, but for all intents and purposes, they live outside of it.\u00a0 That being said, people who make a lot of money and\/or wish to start families, typically strive to do it outside of major cities, hence the existence of suburbs in the first place.\u00a0 People who have the financial means to raise families, usually take their larger salaries, and move to places like Alpharetta, Duluth, Woodstock or Peachtree City, driving their numbers up, and sinking Atlanta proper\u2019s down.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">The bottom line is that Atlanta is a decent place, but it really isn\u2019t a top-10 place in the state to live.\u00a0 ITPers need to get their heads out of their asses and realize that outside of the perimeter, Georgia itself is still a pretty large state.\u00a0 It\u2019s weird to think of it, and stranger to hear when people refer to Atlanta as \u201cNorth,\u201d but to those people who live down in like Valdosta and Savannah and other southern Georgia towns and cities, it\u2019s very much a valid term, even if all Georgians love to boast that they\u2019re all so southern.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">However, the fact of the matter is that Atlanta proper has higher crime, higher cost of living, fewer schools and even less with quality teachers, and higher taxes than just about every place outside of the perimeter.\u00a0 Just because it\u2019s a city that\u2019s hip, known, has good restaurants and the ever-hyped Beltline project, doesn\u2019t make anywhere in Atlanta a truly great place to live.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>NEXT<\/strong>, we move onto Movoto\u2019s list, which claims to be<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">unbiased, data-based, and pretty much indisputable.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Canton<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Peachtree City<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Athens<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Alpharetta<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Perry<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Fayetteville<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Duluth<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Woodstock<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Norcross<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Kennesaw<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">City of Gainesville<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">I\u2019ve been to almost all of these places at some point, and lived in one of them for a few years too.\u00a0 I\u2019ve only passed through Perry and Gainesville but they also to both be the two places furthest from the Metro Atlanta area.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">But going back a little bit, I have to contrarily dispute the claim that the criteria is indisputable.\u00a0 Their criteria was listed as:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Total amenities<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Quality of life (cost of living, median home price, median rent, median household income, and student to teacher ratio)<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Total crimes<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Tax rates (sales tax and income tax)<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Unemployment<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Commute time<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Weather (temperature and air quality)<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">These are all mostly fair things to consider when judging towns, but two in particular are extremely vague in my opinion.\u00a0 \u201cTotal amenities\u201d and commute time are things that I particularly happen to think are pretty vague and subjective.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">What\u2019s an amenity?\u00a0 It\u2019s still something subjective, and not necessarily things that everyone would agree as being an integral benefit to a particular location.\u00a0 I think the golf cart paths in Peachtree City are pretty convenient and nice to have, but to others, they\u2019re a means to an end, since they have to use them to get from point A to point B.\u00a0 The massive number of shopping centers in Alpharetta might be considered an amenity to one person, but be considered a royal pain the ass to another, because it\u2019s reason for excessive traffic and increased congestion.\u00a0 What if you don\u2019t like Mexican food?\u00a0 Then Canton takes a ding there, as trying to say good Mexican food is an amenity there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Amenities are subjective in nature, and the sheer lack of definition in Movoto\u2019s list leads it to be quite disputable.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">But commute time is where things get pretty dicey.\u00a0 I\u2019ll remove Athens and Perry from this, but for the most part, every other city listed in the top-10 are within the unofficial region of landmass that people like to automatically declare as Metro Atlanta.\u00a0 That being said, every one of the remaining top-10 cities has a vast number of people who work ITP, and make grueling, 30+ mile commutes each way to get to their places of employment.\u00a0 Those in Peachtree City and Fayetteville have it the worst, since nobody gives a shit about those on the south end of the metro area, but the point remains that \u201ccommute time\u201d is another disputable variable, whose results are either not heavily weighted, or have some very inaccurate numbers to them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">If commute time were a very important reason in deciding if a place were great to live or not, then pretty much every sub-city within I-285 would be top-10, the closer to the center, the higher they rank.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\"><strong>The funny thing<\/strong>\u00a0about this list was at first glance, my initial reaction was that it was pretty much a listing of the places that have a fewer number of black residents.\u00a0 It\u2019s not an inaccurate assessment, but it\u2019s still an ironic, and inadvertent impression given by this list.\u00a0 It is factual that crime increases ITP, and that Atlanta is a pretty predominantly black city, but it doesn\u2019t help the notion that an unofficial criteria to finding the best place to live includes, where fewer black people live.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Which got me thinking about the type of person who would put a list like this together, and it brings me to the author of the list post.\u00a0 A cursory glance sees a pretty young blonde girl, who looks like she\u2019s like 19 years old, but claims to have attended St. Edward\u2019s University, which another quick google search shows that it\u2019s a Catholic college in Texas.\u00a0 Needless to say, I\u2019m hard pressed to believe a kid from Austin, Texas is remotely qualified enough to give such definitive statements about cities in a state they probably don\u2019t live in, much less actually visited any of the places.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Essentially, this is like a baseball argument, where people attempt to use nothing but numbers and data to quantify things, and the people that believe real-world experience and seeing things with their own eyes is as, if not more important than just numbers.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lora; font-size: 12pt;\">Either way, the list is most certainly disputable, not entirely inaccurate, but not exactly completely accurate.\u00a0 And ITPers who whine about this also need to realize that Atlanta is not Shangri-La, and to consider the source of their angst.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Real estate blog Movoto listed the \u201c10 Best Places to Live in Georgia,\u201d\u00a0and it\u2019s mostly filled with towns and cities on the outskirts of Atlanta.\u00a0 Notably absent are any towns or cities within Atlanta \u201cproper,\u201d also known as \u201cinside the perimeter (Interstate 285)\u201d also known as \u201cITP.\u201d This, naturally\u00a0has those who live ITP and think &hellip; 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